As we honor those who have served our nation, our Lean to the Left podcast guest is Allen B. Clark, a heroic Army officer who shed his blood for our country during the Vietnam War, and who continues to this day to work to help our veterans.

In 1967, as a young captain in Special Forces, Clark was part of clandestine intelligence operations in Vietnam when an enemy mortar attacked his camp, critically wounding him and resulting in the loss of both legs.

But Captain Clark returned to life as a dedicated patriot and veteran who continued to serve our nation, working in a variety of political, public service, and financial endeavors. While encouraging soldiers and veterans to embrace their faith and heal from their own war wounds over more than five decades, he acquired a keen interest in the real causes of wars.

In Soldiers’ Blood and Bloodied Money, a hard-hitting work that pulls no punches, Clark’s extensive research exposes the real causes of war.

Throughout the course of his research, Clark discovered a myriad of motivations of individuals and groups who perpetrated the true “behind-the-curtains” stories of our military history. A large focus of the book is on the acquisition of money and power. Clark names the “usual suspects” who have profited from warfare and derived their “bloodied money”. They include Arms merchants; religious entities and their leaders; politicians; international bankers; media titans; lawyers and “secret societies.”

As he says in the clip above, "Overall through history, there are example stacked upon example of opportunities for power and lust and greed for money to motivate those who can make money to be prepared to do so once the wars start. It is pinstriped bankers... industrialists and merchants of death and richly paneled, carpeted offices who could (not) possibly comprehend or imagine or I dare say, care necessarily about ... those of us patriots who go off to the wars, some still missing in action, dying in far away jungles, deep seas or isolated mountains, or those who return as I have now after 55 years with no legs, with our bodies and souls mangled and tormented."

Clark’s first book is entitled Wounded Soldier, Healing Warrior and tells his personal story. His second book, Valor in Vietnam, is a collection of compelling and untold stories by soldiers and civilians.

In recognition of Clark’s service, former President Ronald Reagan once said, “There are a host of heroes to whom this country owes a debt it can never repay. Allen Clark lost both his legs while serving his country in Vietnam. When he came home, his body was broken, but his spirit never faltered. He went back to school. He earned his master’s degree in business administration. He served his state in a high government post and is now a successful businessman. He’s an inspiration to all who know him.”

Allen, thank you so much for being with us today on our podcast and helping us honor those who serve, and have served, our nation. And we thank you for your service and your sacrifice.

Interview Questions
Q. Your book is called Soldiers’ Blood and Bloodied Money – Wars and the Ruling Elites.” Can you please explain the title?

Q. You quote Major General Smedley Butler as saying that the principal cause of wars is competition for world trade. So essentially, we’re talking about greed being responsible for wars and for the loss of life and limb, correct?

Q. You also quote Gen. Butler on the subject of disarmament conferences. You write, “these conferences were conducted so that the opposing sides could utilize the negotiations to better arm themselves against their opponents.” Is that your view? Do you have any experience with such disarmament conferences?

Q. In another passage you quote Gen. Butler as saying “Out of war, a few people make huge fortunes.” Can you elaborate?

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Show Transcript

Editor's Note: This is a largely unedited auto-generated transcript of the interview.

Thank you so much for being with us today on our podcast and helping us honor those who serve and have served our nation. And we thank you, sir, for your service and your sacrifice.

[00:02:47] Allen Clark: Thank you very much. Good morning to you and I'm delighted to have this opportunity to, further explore the thesis and the writing that I did that took years, took years to write it and to get it published.

[00:03:03] Bob Gatty: I imagine it did. I read your book and that's an extensive work and and so I think we could maybe just get right into it. I have some questions for you based on on what I read. I thought perhaps you could elaborate on some in your book. Your book is called Soldiers Blood and Bloodied Money Wars in the Ruling Elites.

[00:03:28] To get started, can you explain the title for us? 

[00:03:31] Allen Clark: Yeah the casualties of and combatants with collateral damage, which is the civilians in warfare throughout history, the individuals of groups in power to fulfill lust for power and greed that propagated wars behind the scenes that the common people have suffered in.

[00:03:52] Now, I'm not saying necessarily there's always a, direct. And specific connect the dots this, group started this war because this is what they wanna do. In some cases, that is the case. There's an overt or OBL way that they got started. But many of them are just you just know behind the scenes that they're just waiting there to get it started so they could sell stuff, loan, make loans, get more power, get more influence, whatever the case may be.

[00:04:22] And that's what I've discovered with my extensive research. 

[00:04:29] Bob Gatty: Let's see. You quote Major General Smedley Butler is saying that the principle cause of wars is competition for world trade. So essentially we're just talking about greed, being responsible for wars and for the loss of life and limb, right?

[00:04:47] That's what you just said. 

[00:04:48] Allen Clark: Yeah. Okay. World trade does not necessarily mean only goods. It can be related to commodity, such as oil and banana, even. Yeah. Greed for profits and investor returns and lust for power and land and influence and position. All follow the opinion of general Butler, whom I might point out as a recipient of two medals of honor, and he served all over the world.

[00:05:13] He indicates his definition of world trade as international financial loans and credits, and the purchase of foreign bonds by investors, as well as the buying and selling of ordinary merchandise and commodities. 

[00:05:27] Bob Gatty: Okay, so the bottom line is these guys are waiting in the wings for an excuse to, for a where to start, so they could sell their stuff.

[00:05:42] Allen Clark: They it's basically Bob, the fact that they. Because they will make money lending or because they will make money to sell stuff. Whatever the case may be. Doesn't really bother them that the troops go out there. You know that, That's my basic point that I, for my thesis, underlying everything. 

[00:06:05] Bob Gatty: I got it. So. it's nasty enough that this is all based on greed, but what makes it even nastier is that they just don't give a crap. That's exactly about the people they're sending out there to lose their damn legs. Exactly. Or worse. 

[00:06:21] Allen Clark: Yeah. I relate to that later on and, some of these other questions to, Yeah.

[00:06:27] That I've thought about, okay. I'm in the, I'm in the 99% and this 1%, they sit in their mahogany paneled offices with their nice carpets and everything, and our troops are out there. And I'm gonna relate to that a little bit later. 

[00:06:45] Bob Gatty: One of the questions, okay, so in another passage, Quoting General Butler on the subject of disarmament conferences, which I found interesting.

[00:07:01] Allen Clark: Disarmament conferences cuz we all think that those are meetings of high level people and the whole idea is to stop the war. But you write, these conferences were conducted so that the opposing sides could utilize the negotiations to better arm themselves against their opponent. Now that's what General Butler said.

[00:07:24] Bob Gatty: So is that your view? Do you have experience with these kinds of. 

[00:07:29] Allen Clark: Yeah, what I wrote in my book is not a direct quote from General Butler, but what I've phrased I I can't just, I could just quote the whole book from my sources and so forth. I need to paraphrase it. Sure. It's not in quotation.

[00:07:43] Marks Butler was a two time Medal of Honor recipient, as I indicated, that did as country's bidding, bidding in China all over the Caribbean, and was an observer as a two star Marine general at a place of influence and observ. For for far and beyond mine, I agree with his assessment. No disarmament conferences for me to participate in, but as a bloodied soldier in, in 1968, I was aware of the Paris Peace Accords that started that year that dragged on, and I would surmise that were utilized by the Communist to affect their ridable Blitzkrieg in the South.

[00:08:23] When in good faith we began to withdraw from South. Okay General Butler summed it up pretty well when he said out of war a few people make huge fortunes. All I can do is relate to my research and using the references of his two books and he said after World War, During World War I, after World War many, Innumerable in the United States, as an example, became millionaires.

[00:08:59] They became millionaires by selling shoes. They became millionaires by selling B bombs bullets, and all the things that, that, that have to be purchased to, to have your, country go to war.

[00:09:18] Bob Gatty: In reading your book, I came across a passage where you said, upon reflection, does anyone believe the civilians in their comfortable offices and homes during wartime really care about the frontline soldiers, marine sailors, and air force personnel?

[00:09:36] Now that's what we were just talking about. Now, you talked about the mahogany paneled offices and the fancy carpets. When, you were serving, did you feel that way? Was that in your conscious mind when you were there taking fire from the enemy? 

[00:09:56] Allen Clark: No, I was too naive and uninformed about the big picture. Here I am a 24 year old Gungho captain in the United States Army. Yeah. Having decided to go to West Point when I was eight years old. Studied hard, kept myself straight so that I could be admitted to the academy and I am, and we're under this discipline for four years, and then Sure. I'm a gungho patriot.

[00:10:21] I don't know any big picture. Sure. At that level, we haven't been to the advanced course or we haven't been to command and general staff or the war colleges yet. That's where they pick up on this stuff. Sure. We're just out there as somewhat cannon fodder as, young officers and enlisted and NCOs.

[00:10:40] Bob Gatty: Okay. After you were, wounded the way you were You came home, right? They sent you home? 

[00:10:55] Allen Clark: Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah, I only, I was back to Brook Army Hospital from the, Battlefield in seven days. Uhhuh 

[00:11:02] I, 

[00:11:03] I was on a plane solid except overnight a couple of times. They they took us off the plane in I believe Clark Air Force Base.

[00:11:13] Well off the plane in Cuon Hospital on the coast. And then Clark Air Force Base, which is now closed, and then I think they kept us on the plane all the way across. I don't remember being taken off the plane after that. They took care of us on the plane, the nurses, yeah. 

[00:11:31] Bob Gatty: So you were 24 when this happened, right?

[00:11:34] Allen Clark: Yeah, I was actually 25, 3 days after I was wounded. 

[00:11:38] Bob Gatty: Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. So you came home a young man, 25 years old, having lost both of your legs. What was going through your mind then? How were you and, how did you, how did you bring yourself to end up with a positive outlook about things? 

[00:12:05] Allen Clark: The, negative Feelings related to how we were not accepted by the rank and file. So many of the rank and file civil, the silent majority. Didn't, could not, did not necessarily believe in the war. And definitely not the way was conducted.

[00:12:26] We could have done more things, but it, they definitely did not denigrate us. I have a classmate that came into San Francisco International Airport in his uniform. And there were people there that threw unmentionable. Items at him to mess him up. His he had to, throw his uniform away.

[00:12:49] And these people were protesting in the streets. In the protests one, I met one veteran in the hospital one time. He says I was against the war. I already served in the war. I was against the war. I'm in this. Protest March in Washington, DC and so the leaders said veterans to the front.

[00:13:07] They wanted to make a good front I'm sure there were very few veterans in the front, but they had the veterans at the front and then they threw medals at the At the White House. Now there's a controversy about current former Senator Carey throwing his medals at the White House.

[00:13:26] And he, maintains there were someone else's medals, not his own, who cares, but it was representative of his medals. But sure. But that's an example of the, protests and so we, were vilified. They, can protest the war, but not us. I had a situation here after we'd gone into Iraq and I was public affairs officer at the Veterans Hospital in Dallas.

[00:13:47] And right after it got started in. A ordained minister and a and Iraqi American came into my office and they wanted to have a protest to the war that we'd gone into in Iraq in 2003. And I said you're not gonna have a protest on the Veteran's Hospital. I said, That's not something you do on a federal installation, much less.

[00:14:11] With the people here that are suffering from past wars. Okay. And so they started out the door and they got the big picture from me and Aek would not, and could not give them permission, and went out there. I said, Wait a minute. I got one more thing to say to you. I says look, you can protest this war in beginning in Iraq, but don't protest the Warriors.

[00:14:32] I said, I am a product and all my people that serve in Vietnam are products of the protest against the war and the warriors. So would you keep that in mind? The next day, Saturday, I drove down there and they had set themselves up on a vacant lot across the street from the hospital and they had a big banner.

[00:14:51] We protest the war, but not the warriors. And Bob had almost made me tear. Oh, I bet I made my case. Absolutely. I was so happy about that. I was just so happy about that. 

[00:15:03] Bob Gatty: It should have been that was a terrible thing the way so many people treated our soldiers when they came back from Vietnam.

[00:15:14] And so you have a section called Merchants of Death in your book, and you preface that by saying that many retired military officers worked for the arms industry, adding that this. This cast of villains. This cast of villains in this deadly play roam the globe.

[00:15:39] Can you explain that? 

[00:15:41] Allen Clark: Yeah. Basically what I discovered in historically and bringing up to date, just a modest I haven't done any research on it recently. Sure. But high ranking recently retired officers leave the military understanding the contracting systems and, still being in contact and knowing the lower ranking officers are still in charge of granting contracts.

[00:16:04] And legislators who budget military expenditures on the committees in Congress that put, the money up for the final budget. So you may recall that when President Trump decided to move some of our troops outta Syria, which were really limited in number, but they were mainly special operations people to reduce our exposure to endless wars, which was his philosophy.

[00:16:29] Some of the loudest voices declining the. We're retired generals on defense boards as directors. Now I have not done research as to these four officers, there were three and four stars retired in two years ago, and they went on Lockheed Martin, blah, blah, blah boards. I understand. I haven't done all that So anyway Vickers in UK was a historical example, but repeated today.

[00:17:01] Vickers brought bishops on their boards. And besides retired military, Bicks was a, it was a was a contractor in England. 

[00:17:11] Bob Gatty: Okay. Okay. Now Let's talk a little bit about the munitions industry and its role in spawning war. You write that the arms, merchants of death have clearly profited substantially from warfare. Adding that elitist of all countries make their fortunes, and the patriots and common folks do the dirty work. Yeah. You wanna elaborate on.

[00:17:43] Allen Clark: This is a simple one to answer. Obviously, arms, Merchants wanted to provide a return on investment financially for, their stockholders and senior executives and employees. Yeah. So Booth behooves them to continue to turn out on, manufacturing lines, their bombs and bullets and weapons of war. I consider the 1%, this was defined years ago with some protests backed by certain.

[00:18:08] As evidenced by their activities as the elite going after the elitist, it did not bother them the elitist that Vietnam took seven or eight years where Afghanistan took 20 years and then we left the battlefields. I know not whether their retired officers on their boards lobbied the defense establishment.

[00:18:24] I don't imagine they did that candidly to bomb. But we needed to bomb the North dykes North. Dykes mine high. Harbor and conduct amphibious assault on the coast. So we didn't go all out to win those things strategically and tactically in Afghanistan, why allow the opium crops to continue to be grown?

[00:18:45] Why drag out that war? I know a veteran, that war who had the, a mission of terminating a bad guy, one of his contacts an Afghani said that he could handle the situation where the payment of several hundred dollars, in other words, elimination of a key target. He was not taken up on his bargain. Instead, an expensive drone was utilized.

[00:19:07] UK even had, as I mentioned before, bishops on their boards. One of my sources wrote an Englishman. Lord said all of them are anxious for unlimited expenditures and go inventing scares to terrify the. Public and to terrify ministers of the Crown. Now, recall that my history stopped after the Banana Wars in Central America.

[00:19:30] I, have no current information. I, was gonna write a couple more books, Bob, but it just at age 80, I'm just tired. I'm just not gonna write any more books. So I had to stop with this after Banana Wars, but I laid the groundwork at the beginning, as you well know. 

[00:19:46] Bob Gatty: Yeah. Okay. Now, to what extent is the press and the media complicit in all of this stuff?

[00:19:54] Allen Clark: My chapter 10 in the book relates to that. There was a one, Kent Cooper wrote a book called Barriers Down in 1942. He was at the time of the book writing the general manager of Associated Press. That's a big deal. He wrote, and I quote this from him, the mighty foreign propaganda carried on through these channels, and I would point out Reuters Havas, and.

[00:20:18] As that are behind that he was talking about in the last 100 years has been one of the causes of wars that have never been uncovered. Now this is pretty interesting cuz this is a guy that's a really big deal in the media industry. He wrote that after the beginning of the 20th century. International bankers under the leadership of the Rosschild were inclined to acquire interest in all these three agencies.

[00:20:42] The bankers were significant customers without a doubt, and even without controlling financial interest, exercised influence, surpassed only by their the respective governments. This leads us today and the news and the news fed to readers by six major conglomerates. Everything has been. Organized under six major conglomerates in our country.

[00:21:05] And then I have another author Yates Brown, who wrote, He maintained that the average newspaper reader will read the news that is reported reflective of the owners and supporters of the newspaper, i e the rich men. Makes my case for the elitist in the merchants of death. That another source that I used by En Brick and hen in their 1934 book I wrote, Arms Merchants could Not neglect the powerful press, which sometimes.

[00:21:39] Led them to be sure and focus on them to get publicity and to get influence and so forth. They, bought or owned, at least in which they maintain a controlling interest in some of these and some of this media, the same press, individuals, managers, or owners will be placed on arms company boards.

[00:21:59] Now, those are direct quotes from one of my sources Thomas Jefferson wrote a long time ago. Nothing can now be believed, which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. You can tell how Thomas Jefferson, our president felt at the time, one.

[00:22:18] Next sensational examples of the press and media being con, complicit in all this, as stated in your question, relates to the run up to the Spanish American War. This, was where there was an egregious example in of this. In the Marshall Spirit by Walter Mill, he described the headlines and articles and editorial content of the New York Tribune and New York Sun.

[00:22:41] And eventually the New York Morning Journal eventually bought by Randolph Hurst. American journalists were sent to Cuba and began the dramatic and sometimes exaggerated stories emanating from the New York newspapers led by the soon to be famous Hearst, ready to make a name for himself, greed, possibly plus a profit from enhanced sales brought by sensational headlines necessarily.

[00:23:08] Whether truthful or exaggerated or the truth had their impact on popular opinion. And one of the specific things he there was a quote from the E white evening post, Saturday evening post editor. Nothing so disgraceful as the behavior of these two newspapers in the past week has ever been known in the history of journalism.

[00:23:29] Gross misrepresentation of facts, deliberate invention of tales calculated to excite the public, and wanting recklessness in the construction of headlines, which outdid even these inventions have combined to make the issues of the most widely circulated. Newspapers, fire brands scattered, broadcast throughout the community.

[00:23:51] That was one where in, in that war, when I wrote about Spanish American, I found, Okay. Now what about the bankers in the financial industry? To which you alluded a few minutes ago, Let me start with Napoleon Bone Apart, which I found a quote by him. He said, When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation.

[00:24:15] Since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes money, has no motherland, financiers, or without patriotism and without decency, their sole object is gain. Now, that's of course, 200 years ago, obviously one could assume that he probably did not have many social engagements with the bankers as I wrote.

[00:24:34] And then Thomas, Jeff. Again principal author of the United States Declaration of Independence said in a letter written to John Taylor, 1816, I sincerely believe with you that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. John C. Calhoun, Vice President of the United States and former senator said in 1836, Power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves consisting of many and various powerful interests combined in one mass and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in banks.

[00:25:13] And then there was another. Source I found wrote an 1887 book. After both these sources, he asserted that in the early 18 hundreds, no war could be undertaken without the assistance of the Rothchilds. Since the control exercise by them and the money markets was such that they could eventually withhold or procure the requisite funds, he wrote that at one period of history, the Rothschilds were the dictators of Europe.

[00:25:39] The purpose of. Child's fortune to be employed, at least during Rothschild's time was defined as follows. The Rothschilds belonged to no one nationality. They're cosmopolitan and Walts, On the one hand, they provided supplies for the armies of Napoleon On the other. They raised loans for his foes. We used the funds this obtained and deferring the cost of their campaigns against him.

[00:26:04] They belonged to no party. They were ready to grow rich at the expense of friends and fo alike. A hallmark of their success was the apparent ability and power to be supported of one side while encouraging the other. Okay. Does this continue today? Like I say I, did not get into research today.

[00:26:29] This is more of an historical documentation. Human nature. Human nature never changes. Yeah. Human, nature never changes, Bob. Yeah. Perhaps we have a little bit more transparency today with investigations and so forth and opportunities to find out what's going on. But once again, this was past history.

[00:26:53] Bob Gatty: Yeah, I understand. Okay. You quote General Butler is saying, America must face the cold brutal facts. The people must eventually decide whether or if we want to sacrifice our manhood on the fields of battle and struggle under the load of taxation that is created by wars merely to save the business, enterprises and profits of a handful of our citizen.

[00:27:20] Your thoughts about that? 

[00:27:22] Allen Clark: Yeah. To start with part of our deficit and which is apparently up to 30 trillion now in the country, a very large part of our gmp this couple of billion, couple of trillion at least, is what it costs us to be in Iraq and Afghanistan. And yes, we must.

[00:27:43] But the decision to go to war is not submitted to a national referendum. No, it's time to do that. Lyndon Mains Johnson bombed North Vietnam in 1968 upon the pretext of spurious reports of attacks on US ships. Truman sent troops from Japan without congressional approval and a declaration of war, which is required by the Congress.

[00:28:06] Did the citizens measure what the cost and blood would be on the debts to be stacked up by a. Of course not. In this case, it was a blatant attack by a communist inspired organization, army. Our troops were committed piecemeal from Japan. I was an army brat in Japan at age eight on June 25th, 1950 when the war started there.

[00:28:31] They push us into the Posan perimeter, which was the very far southeast cor corner of South Vietnam. They were just moving along and they, could have taken the entire South Korea before General MacArthur did. That left hook, as we would call it, in inch on Harbor three months. Had he not gone in, the communist would've prevailed and eventually Japan would've fallen.

[00:28:58] It wouldn't be the, economic boom that it is today. And what I've always said is, if we fight, bring to bear every part of our war fighting capability and win fast. 

[00:29:10] Bob Gatty: Okay. Now in chapter nine, you talk about the elitist in their role. Can you tell us what you're talking about? 

[00:29:19] Allen Clark: My research, which is in, by the way, a total book of 478 pages, admittedly the overview that I start out it, starts out with a Latin quote, Ceva, Civas, Kanda, Pia pr s.

[00:29:36] Vertus Post Nemos. Now, I studied Latin in ninth and 10th grade and I would not have been able to have translated that today. But Horas a Roman poet translated his greed and money first and all the rest after the term. Elitist Elite was not known in 1828 because Noah Webster's book original. Thesaurus and included no definition of the terms, but the Oxford American writer's, theorists, thesaurus defined elite in this manner.

[00:30:10] Hobnobbing with South Port's elite best pick, Crem de Lare, flower non elect, high society, jetset, beautiful people. Mond, Hotman, Gli, Aris aristocracy, nobility, upper class, the classic example. Of elitist is repeated and was expressed by Walter Raow. He was obviously an elitist because he was a German industrialist and advisor to Kaiser Wilhelm ii, who stated, he stated in 1909 raow 300 men.

[00:30:45] All who know each other direct the economic destinies of the continent, and they look for successors among their friends and relations. This is not the place to examine the strange causes of this strange state of affairs, which throws a light on the obscurity of our social future. As previous I'd written, he was assassinated 13 years later, Could it possibly have been because he revealed the existence of an elitist group on the continent?

[00:31:12] Connect the dots. I can, but scratch the surface as the in intricate spider webs woven by these elitist throughout history back to the oligarchic families of Venice and Genoa Gen to the royal dynasties of. Europe to British East India Company in India to the Rockefellers and Roth SALs to the Jewish and Gentile international bankers and the modern day titans of banking, politics, and history.

[00:31:43] These modern day titans include such organizations as figures as Philander C Kn, Thomas Lamont, George Mandel, j Peerpoint Morgan National City Bank, Jacob Schiff. J Henry Schroeder Bank. This is back in the in the in back. World, Wari area, Wall Streeters, the Warburgs, Bernard, Baruch Chase, Manhattan back, Dill Reed.

[00:32:07] You can just go on and on, and then Ferdin Ferdinand Lundberg, who died in 1995, had written a book in 37 America's 60 Families. And he, In which he wrote, he proposed that a small group of wealthy families held sway over the economy and the body politic while their financial interest controlled the press.

[00:32:29] The United States is owned and dominated today by a hierarchy of the richest families, buttress by no more than 90 families of lesser wealth. Now, this is a, an observer of the scene in America in a book he wrote in 1937 85 years. An elitist royalist King Leopolda Belgium. Now this was a direct connect.

[00:32:52] The dots control the rubber production and the Belgium Congo about him and has been said. The soldiers of King Leopolda Belgium to satiate his great for money to satisfy his concubines. Were massacring. Torturing and mutilating the natives of the Congo who did not bring in enough rubber. One of the king's loyal soldiers was an am.

[00:33:14] Emil Frankie, who will reenter history in the aftermath of the Anglo Bore war as a partner with Herbert c Huber. Hoover, Yes. The future United States President in slave Trading of Chinese workers. Very few people know anything about that. And there was a John Perkins, an economic hitman. He would be the front man to go into foreign countries to set up contracts for us to do various and sundry work in those countries.

[00:33:40] He believes that when greed is rewarded of and by itself, greed becomes a motivator. He also wrote that a few swim and riches in the majority drown in poverty, pollution, and violence. This relates to my thesis that the elitist benefit from those wars and those who fight. I make, I hope that makes my case and, can I keep going on this answer if you want to?

[00:34:05] Sure. want to, I did the research. Do it. Charles Higa wrote the following about the Rockefellers in trading with the enemy, I turned to the matter of Rockefeller controlled Chase Men National Bank, which had conducted its business for the Nazi high command in Paris until the wars end. They actually had a chase bank.

[00:34:25] In Paris for the entire war. It was a natural progression to standard oil of New Jersey, The chief jewel and the crown of the Rockefeller Empire records of standards dealing standard dealings with the axis were contained in the records room of the diplomatic branch of the National Archives, and were specially.

[00:34:44] Declassified. I know personally many of our veterans World War II who were prisoners of war or wounded in action by the Nazis and Japanese. It, I senses me to learn about corporate collusion with our enemies by a large corporation in the United States. Another one of my authors, Wrote, The ultimate price is paid by those who are squandered in battle without a moment's thought by the elite purveyors of war and bloodshed, which is pretty strong.

[00:35:11] Now, one of the most important things, Bob, for you and then for your listeners. Founder John d Rockefeller was perceived as a most generous philanthropist, but there may have been another purpose as seen in this depiction. The Rockefeller Philanthropies were conceived for the dual purpose of taking the curse off the Rockefeller name and enabling the Rockefeller standard oil interest to carry on with our interference from a hostile public or the go.

[00:35:40] The, Rockefeller family and Dynasty could become, be considered the elite of the elites, as explained by Lundberg. But one of the philanthropic endeavors by Rockefeller was to set up something called the General Education Board in the early In the early 19 hundreds, Rockefeller's headman in philanthropy was the Reverend Frederick t Gates, who's recruited from the American Baptist Education Society.

[00:36:07] He wrote a passage in 1904 and something called the occasional Paper number one titled A Country School of Tomorrow, which set the groundwork for the attitude toward US peasants by John D and his elitist companions. This is what he. In your dreams, and I quote from that paper in and I've got, I got hold of the paper.

[00:36:29] Okay. Yeah. In, our dreams, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect facility to our molding hands. The present educational conventions fade from our minds and unhampered by tradition. We work our own goodwill upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science, we are not to raise up from among them, authors, editors, poets, or men of letters.

[00:37:01] We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters. Musicians, nor will we cherish even the humble ambition to raise up among them, lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen of whom we have an ample supply. The task we have set before us is very simple, as well as a very beautiful one to train these people as we find them for a perfectly ideal life, just where they are.

[00:37:25] So we will organize our children and teach 'em to do in a perfect way the things that their mothers and fathers are doing in an imperfect way in the homes, in the shops, and on the farm. Then I, wrote, Nevermind that the surf rural folks that he was writing about before World War I would be many of the foot soldiers of America in 1917 thrown into the gas attacks, mud bombardments, dying and maming of the.

[00:37:50] In the trenches of World War I, obviously both rural and city folks and welfare sometimes are overwhelmed by the war experiences. Today it is termed post-traumatic stress throughout the history of warfare. The medical professionals have termed it different differently, and the civil wars called term condition of the heart and more recent wars have been called combat fatigue and various other terms.

[00:38:16] Bob Gatty: Okay, now, I wanted to ask you a question that really is not addressed in your book as such wasn't your point, but it, occurred to me as I read your book the idea that today's politicians with their focus on self preservation always running for office, especially in the House of Representatives where they run every two years.

[00:38:48] But even in the Senate where they're constantly raising money and, laying the groundwork for the next election. do you think that's had any impact as they constantly try to raise money for their campaigns? 

[00:39:08] Allen Clark: Bob, what I have discovered is There are political action committees from defense contractors, etcetera.

[00:39:16] Yeah. People wanna make money off the government, whether it's for war products or whatever the case may be. They wanna get contracts. And I'm, I believe, just personally, I don't have any research on this, but just personally from my exposure to politics and I ran for treasurer of the state of Texas 1982 and lost and I ran for county judge 86 and lost.

[00:39:34] So I have a, background in politics by all means. Okay. What I believe is a congressman. That has in his district a factory or an operation that is reflective of some national organization. And what these big companies try to do is they try to spread out their large Yes. Try to spread out factories and so forth in different congressional districts so they can have a.

[00:39:58] The interest of certain congressmen and senators spread out to to listen to their lobbyists and to accept their packed money and to be open to what their opinions and so forth. So I think those are the ones that are most interested in the, focus that you've mentioned. 

[00:40:15] Bob Gatty: Okay. That's an interesting observation. And having worked on Capitol Hill for two different members of Congress, I think I can. I can say that what you're talking about is absolutely correct. Now you conclude your book by saying the entire work is a description of the acts of some capitalists who have been devoted to personal monetary enrichment and achievement of personal power at the expense of the wounds and deaths of millions of the little people all over the.

[00:40:54] Many have been in my veterans circles to include myself. Now we've been talking about that to some extent, but can you elaborate a bit on that comment? 

[00:41:06] Allen Clark: Yeah. My conclusion on all this. Yeah. The entire thesis of this historical study of mine soldiers blood and bloodied money wars and the ruling elites is that overall through history, there are example stacked upon example of opportunities for power and lust and greed for money to motivate those who can make money to be prepared to do once the wars start, it is. Pinstripe bankers, as I've talked about in industrialists and merchants of death and politicians once again. And I like this term, and I'll say it again in richly paneled, carpeted offices who could possibly comprehend or imagine or I dare say, care necessarily about these survey little people I spoke about are those of us patriots who go off to the wars, some still missing in action.

[00:41:54] Dying and far away jungles, deep seas or isolated mountains or those who return as I have now after 55 years with no legs, with our bodies and souls. Mangled and tormented. Bottom line, , emotionally. That's what I say. 

[00:42:11] Bob Gatty: Okay. Okay. That's that's, quite a conclusion. Now, what are you doing today?

[00:42:22] Alan I know you're doing some work with veterans. What do you, What? What are you involved? 

[00:42:29] Allen Clark: Let me say, if I may, historically what I have done and when I was at the Department of Veterans Affairs and as an Assistant Secretary of Veterans Liaison I was on the road all the time for two and a half years speaking to major conventions of veterans, and I would tell them my post-traumatic stress disorder story, which relates to. Crack up in my 15 months of hospitalization in 1967 to 68, wherein for 14 weeks I was in a close psychiatric ward. Just blasted outta my mind with post-traumatic stress, seeing a psychiatrist three times a week, taking antidepressants, which I took for about eight years, Bob. Finally, by getting my faith act together and understanding.

[00:43:13] Picture of good versus evil and understanding who I could be if I got my act together. I was able to get out of the ptsd syndrome. And so I spoke at those conferences and those meetings of veterans many of them, even since retirement from the VA in the last 18 years or so, I've been invited by chaplains to come to what was set up for Warrior transition battalions or units, which no longer have a need for existence, thankfully, cuz we're not an active war right now. But I would go and speak to them and I would tell them my story and I would say, Look, everybody out there has a different faith. I don't wanna prosletize on my faith, but Christianity's what worked for me. To solve my problem.

[00:43:57] And so if you're Muslim, if you're Jewish, if you're atheist Hindu, whatever your case may be, you go out there and you work with your people that are leading your faith message on your post and you try to get yourself healed. I'm just telling you what worked for me. So it's not prosletizing, but just telling them to go.

[00:44:15] But it takes faith. To get healed. So that's what I, that's what I worked on back then. Now, recently, I've set up a website called, C O M B A T,, combat And I have examples from all the wars and the, spiritual example of looking at what. What can be done to help them heal?

[00:44:38] And I believe that all these great programs out there for kayaking and hiking and going up hills and having a lot of fun at these different things do not take care of anything but the weekend to distract troops that have something wrong with them, I believe a, spiritual underpinning to their To their challenges is what they need to heal today.

[00:44:59] I I, continue to have coffee and meet with a variety of different veterans that contact me somewhere or other. And, that's what I've been doing. My website my blog, combat has a lot of views all the time. My combat faith has about a hundred views a month, and it has for years.

[00:45:20] Bob Gatty: Okay? What I'm talking about, and I helped them out that. Okay. That's wonderful. Now where can people find your book. 

[00:45:30] Allen Clark: It's only in one place right now. Because it was so controversial I didn't even bother trying to find a publisher. I found publishers from my other two worked with straight combat stories and my own autobiography.

[00:45:42] But this one is self-published on Kindle Direct Publishing, but that is only found So the book Soldiers Blood and Bloodied Money Wars in the Ruling Lee, you have to go to Amazon and you can purchase it there. I have it listed for 1995. 

[00:45:58] Bob Gatty: Okay. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, if you are interested in this topic the, influence of, money and greed on war, this is an excellent, historical piece for you to check out, and I encourage you to do and once again, what is the website that you were referring to a minute ago? 

[00:46:33] Allen Clark: Yep, Yep. I've had a lot of people get sent to that by family members, by spouses themselves to look at what I've written there.

[00:46:44] Bob Gatty: Okay. And you, say you, you do a regular blog?

[00:46:48] Allen Clark: Yeah. Yeah. I have a, blog that, that I relate to a lot of spiritual and personal experiences that I've had. It doesn't all relate to ptsd, but it relates to, myself, to indicate how I've recovered and where I am that I don't have these issues anymore.

[00:47:04] Bob Gatty: Okay. This is an interesting guy and I appreciate a, I appreciate you taking the time to be with us today on our podcast. I really do. Thank you so much.

[00:47:15] Allen Clark: thank you, Bob, for an extraordinary opportunity and a lot of great questions. I was able to research and answer hopefully that are of interest.

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